Hi. Good afternoon, everyone and welcome. My name is Kamruz Jaman. I'm from Konabos. We're a full service digital agency based out of Canada and US, we specialize in Sitecore. Hopefully you guys have seen us around from the community. I'm really excited to have Peter Kapsopoulos join us today. I hope I didn't butcher the name Peter. I understand, I recognize, yeah, names. It's very it's very fanatic. It's very fanatic. It's as it's written. But I always have trouble with those. Thank you for joining us today. Yeah, of course, happy to be here. Thanks for having me. I'm extremely excited to have you present the roadmap for XM XP and manage cloud. I know we spoke extensively at Sitecore symposium and at the MVP Summit. There's some really, really exciting things that are coming up in the in the roadmap. I know we discussed a lot of things under NDA, and then there's obviously been a lot of change in the industry over the past few years, obviously the push towards headless and composable over the past few years. But to me, it almost feels like things are coming back around a little bit, where people have gone full headless and kind of kind of realized that actually it's a little bit too far and Sitecore vision from a few years back is actually almost coming back on itself, where people are seeing The benefit of the all in one approach, the need for an editor, a visual editor, the need for in built personalization, and obviously the need for ownership as well data ownership. So I think the people are seeing the benefits of the all in one approach, the need for owning the platform and the and the need for owning the infrastructure. 

So I was, I was very, very happy to speak with you and get all the information around what the vision is for XM XP, the long term vision as well, and the fact that there is so much investment from Sitecore on this indeed. And you know, hopefully we'll touch on a lot of those points as we go through the roadmap. You know, the slides are what we presented in Nashville. So folks who are symposium would have seen it. We've gone through these, through a couple of silly tours. We've done a couple of partner sessions. I think the key message that we just want to deliver is, you know, where we are in terms of our journey in platform dxp, and also where platform dxp sits in the Sitecore journey. You know, Sitecore been on a massive, massive journey towards a SAAS delivery model with XMC, and then the composable suite. And you know, that's received a lot of the headline the city and the articles, but you know, we've got a very loyal and comprehensive install base who are running platform dxp. And you know, our message really is quite simple, that we're fully committed to platform dxp, fully committed to giving customers the choice to stay where they are. Do nothing, do something. Move to x Inc, you know, evaluate all options. And of course, if your option that you choose to elect into is say, hey, platform dxp, single tenant is the model for me. What are we doing here at Sitecore to show you the runway, what are we doing showing the features and the functions that we bring it out? So, you know, probably got about 30 minutes on of talking to get through. We'll talk through, you know, some of the T's and C's that, you know, it's a roadmap, you know, maybe that's a good cue for me to click through, yeah. But, you know, it is a roadmap presentation, you know. So we will talk about things which are under evaluation, under review. We take a very firm view on a roadmap before we present things like this. So we don't like to present this and then take things out. So hopefully, as we go through I'll show you evolution of this roadmap over the last sort of six, seven months. I show you how we're going. But just be mindful. You know, some of the things are whether a field, some of the stuff that we haven't yet talked about as well, to 18 months ahead as well. Perfect with that, I'll let you go ahead and present all the info. All right. Great. Thank you so much. So, you know, the thing I like to do when I go through a roadmap session like this is really to set the scene as to where are we from a organizational perspective and a product perspective. Talk about our vision, our mission, and our commitment to platform dxp that kind of sets the scene. So you know where we at. We'll talk about roadmap considerations. What do we see going into the roadmap? Why do we think it's important to have those items in the roadmap? Where do they feel? It within the roadmap. We'll then get into a milestone view, a now, next and later. 

So in quarter, in year and year and beyond, we'll talk about some key initiatives, and then I've got some slides towards the end, we should talk to relationship features as well. So I'll go through all of that. But before I get started in a stop list. Senior Director of Product Management here at Sitecore been in Sitecore for five and a half, six years. In April. Interesting fact, here I joined Sitecore April Fool's Day of 2019 that one always gives me a smile, for some reason. But in that time, entirely focused on my experience, platform had a couple of different roles within the organization. Came across as a product specialist focused on other little centers, Director of solution engineering, and more recently, the last few years, came across into product management function, where I'm responsible for x in XP and our Inc products. I've been in the tech industry 20 odd years, and in that time, primarily focused on platform delivery services, not too dissimilar to these. So, you know, let's talk a little bit about the vision, the mission and the commitment. First slide, right off the bat, you know, is a statement from our CEO, from Dave, just talking about Sitecore, commitment to XM and XP, our commitment to continually modernize on this platform, and it's important that we get this message out. You know, we touched on it already Sitecore. Been through a massive journey. We've been through a rapid growth phase with our composable products. But that doesn't mean we haven't been doing the same growing dxp behind the scenes. So as we go through the slides today, we'll show you what's come out. We'll show you what's available, but really just emphasizing the message from the top down here at Sitecore, that we are fully committed to capital dxp, supporting customers with existing deployments, and also supporting those net new logos that will continue to onboard from a product perspective. You know, when myself and our teams get together, we look at it say, what's our vision? What do we want to achieve? Simply, we want to be the number one single tenant, CMS, market choice, ability to orchestrate across our composable products. And when we talk about this, people often ask us, you know, why specifically do we want to be the number one single tenant market choice? And you know, we talk to customers. We talk to a lot of customers. Spend a lot of time doing this, and customers will say to us, look, there's certain things that resonate with us. And the ones we see on screen here are the ones that resonate with majority of our customers. So people are talking to us about data serenity. You know, we need our data to remain within certain borders. It cannot go across. It needs to be put into a specific region. It can be aggregated. These customers tend to be in highly regulated industries as well. So financial services, healthcare, certainly manufacturing organizations, and they'll be saying, Just look, we need to be taking care of data. We need to be taking care of our policies and procedures. That normally means customers have got quite a specific networking requirement. It might mean that they've got a very high performance compute performance requirement as well, meaning we might have to be very reactive to burst ball deployments, where maybe we need to be doing things proactively, preempting certain events generally these requirements lend themselves better to what would usually an industry be referred to as an on premise deployment. You know clearly an on premise deployment can be hosted in Cloud as a single tenancy, so exactly the same as what we do in our Sitecore with our Managed Cloud products. And then when we take all these things together and we say, so we've got highly complex data requirements, highly complex network performance, we're on premise. 

Usually at this point, we noticing that customers have heavily invested into this deployment architecture. And when we've heavily invested into this deployment architecture, usually, then what we look to do is drive greater ROI out of an existing Inc and that generally, then means that a customer is better suited to the single tenant CMS platform that we looked at number one in market, four. So that's our vision. The mission to supplement that is simple. We're going to double down on Dave's statements here about constant innovation into our Sitecore. Constant innovation into our managed cloud services that customers can pop in through a hosting platform from Sitecore continue to provide services that are secure, reliable, scalable, highly available, but ultimately to our customers to achieve digital goals with speed and precision. We talk about this, and we talk to customers, and we say, where are you on your journey? Where are you in your. Or digital experience platform right now. What are you looking to do in the near future? And quite often we're asked, Well, can you explain to us where you go? The first thing we want to say is that Sitecore is fully committed to the platform. We have support on platform dxp right now. And look for release, which takes us into 2032 and beyond. We will be shipping in 10 five. It'll be coming out in October 25 that puts us into the back end of 2034 we've then got, you know, the constant innovation on XM and XP from a feature set perspective, we'll be looking at that both from a doc release, but we'll also be looking at that from a modular release. And I'll talk a little bit about modules in a few minutes. But in essence, it's our ability to bring the feature out to market, and for that feature to be consumed as a module and not tied to a doc release, that would otherwise take 12 to 18 months for us to bring up to market, to kind of bringing some of the speed of the SaaS world, bringing some of that into our platform world, doing that through modules. And then the final commitment is just a commitment to customers. So we'll continue to provide alternative hosting solutions in the format of our Sitecore managed cloud product. And I'm going to talk a little bit about managed cloud today as well. We're relaunching our managed cloud service in April of 2025 I'm going to talk to some of the reasons why we're going to go through that relaunch, and what the benefits are that we'll see from that. So let's have a look at the roadmap considerations. First thing we'll notice is that our board facing slide and how we go out to support our customers in market changes a little. We move away from the heavily targeted product set with the hexagons, where we had our x and CS and our CDPs and our personalized and our sends and our XMS and our XPS all in one slide. And we simplify that down, and we look at, you know, our customers said, where are you? Where are you looking to Sitecore to bring you some support and guidance. And in almost every instance, it's two key areas. And there's the third area, which is the buzzword of the moment, but content.

 You know, our ability to give our customers the ability to manage your content life Sitecore, ability to bring digital experiences so you can deliver those stand up digital experiences to differentiate you in your brand, and then infusing that with AI through Sitecore stream, and again, I have a slide which I'll talk to stream in a few minutes. So this is a generic slide across Sitecore as an organization, and we'll use this to solve almost every instance that we'll be talking to customers behind Content and Experience, or, of course, a financial product Sitecore. And as we work through that discussion with you, we'll figure out which of those products work best. When we do get into that level of detail, we bring it down into that from the XP space, and we start talking about single tenancy. The products that sit within our team right now are XM XP. We do still have some customers running in XC and manage card, as we've mentioned. So three software products and a service, the core foundational product in Inc, with our identity service, Content Editor, experience editor, so publishing form the success and the likes you know, core foundational CMS products, then for those customers, let's take a step forward into the digital experience space. We start to introduce things like XDB, X connect tracking and analytics profile in our XP products. You know, you got marketing automation, personalization, campaign managers, content testing, and a few others in the XP. So XM and XP really the core software capability in our platform, the XP portfolio. We do still have a number of customers running on XC. XC was discontinued at the tender three range. We're at 10 to four now on XM and XP, but we will continue to support third party dependencies for customers on XC. And then when we talk about managed cloud, we look at it from a service perspective, ready there to service customers who've opted in for one software products. Customers today have three choices in terms of platform housing. We have what we call up as one dot architecture, which was the initial release of our managed cloud product portfolio a fairly simplified has based delivery model. In August of 23 we released past 2.0 complete rework of the underlying architecture, moved to a hub and spoke architecture following Microsoft's wallet framework. Has two of those where we will invest majority of our time in managed cloud for Feature and innovation, and we do still have customers who are running on containers as an AKs delivery model. But as I say, the primary go to for us from a managed cloud perspective is going to be around past 2.0 and when I talk a little bit later to some of the key initiatives, we'll talk about what. Does it mean to deliver on it has 2.0 versus 1.5 what are some of the benefits that we see on that side? Let's talk about the roadmap and the status updates. The first thing we want to say is that, you know, we want to show previously communicated roadmaps. We want to show what we presented x months ago, we want to show you how we've tracked and moved on that roadmap. 

Are you things that might have moved out? Show you things that have moved in, and show you where we are with the items that were there. So what I'm going to show on the next slide is what we presented in Dublin earlier this year. In May of 24 the roadmap was split into three key themes, our core XM and XP capability. We broke it down into some components which are better targeted to site delivery, so around headless deployment and public cloud deployment, and we spoke about integrations and how we can integrate into our composable stack. So I won't go through every item on the screen, right? Yeah, but what I will say is that the items that I've got, two modules that I was referencing a few minutes ago, modules available across a number of Sitecore versions, do not require you to go through an upgrade. So those customers who've got that heavily tuned, highly tuned, heavily customized deployment, but you want to get access to a feature, but you don't want to have to go through a wholesale upgrade. Modules work very well in that scenario, naturally. Modules tend to lend themselves better to the site delivery and integration, where we still see in the core XM and XP capability, they tend to do more along lines of breaking changes and things that need to go into a dark release. So what I'll show is, you know, seven, eight modules across the themes here it's been five months. It's actually been six, but it was five months when we put this deck together. What we want to show you is just how that road map has evolved in six months. First thing I'll say is we've taken nothing out of the roadmap. So everything that was in the roadmap back in May remains in the roadmap. We have introduced two items to the roadmap, and both of those have actually been delivered. The first one that we introduced is our COVID schema extension that's called the schema extension, ability for our content editors and authors to manipulate XDB facets that used to be a task that required developer assistance, and that can now be done through the Sitecore interface. So if you need to manipulate those XDB facets, you don't have the ability to do that through the Sitecore portal, and you can do that without the need to go to the developer that shipped, and that's actually immediately available in market today, we also shipped our XDB to CDP migration tool, again, shipped as a module, available in market today, and this helps to bring adoption to CDP for customers You're looking to bring over some of that XDP configuration and data, and then we've got our Sitecore stream, which is our AI capability. We have that available in a preview state. Today. It's available with our brand assistance and generative co pilots. I'll talk about that in more detail when I get to the key initiatives section, again, that's, that's shipped, and that's Allison's available. 

We also have our Microsoft fabric data lake and analytics support module. So that's a module that can help you with extracting data out of out of your XDB, being able to import that and manipulate that through tools like Power BI and really giving you a chance to maybe clean up and optimize some of the back end XDB data sets, which can grow over time, so some performance optimization, but also really to get some insights elsewhere on the data again, that is shipped and available. And then the final one we'll talk about here is the XM cloud content and asset synchronization tool, or XM to XMC tool, that shift is available in marketing is there to support customers who are looking to increase and bring velocity to their XMC migrations, if they're moving from XM. And then we actually introduced an entirely new theme into the roadmap, which was around our site called Managed Cloud. So today Sitecore, managed cloud is available in two forms. We have managed cloud standard and managed cloud premium. And if you think about the difference between the two, managed cloud standard is the entry level managed cloud service, which allows customers and partners to build on top of it. Managed cloud premium would be all the way on the other side of the spectrum, where it is the fully, fully managed solution named engineers and really Sitecore shoes responsibility for everything in Max cloud premium. What customers are saying to us is we'd really like there to be more in Max cloud standard, and we'd like a way to walk ourselves forward. Into an inc, p type deployment model, but we'd like to opt in for services as we go, as opposed to starting all the way over, everything included. So that's exactly what we'll do, is we'll relaunch manage cloud, bring out a unified managed cloud product set, increase the baseline, bring the starting point forward, and we'll do that through end to end platform, hosted services, and we'll take responsibility for the entire Azure Stack. We'll look to reduce proactive assistance and security operations in terms of process and set offs. We'll then look a little further fields, probably a little later down the line. Make some all months down. Look at web operation support with CICD capabilities, some optimization, pipeline management. The final thing that we're looking to do is really enhance on our Disaster recovery capabilities to give customers the ability to do what we'd call Customer initiated Disaster recovery testing. And then along with that, would be things like Disaster recovery validation tooling and a few other capabilities to bring some belts and races before we do a migration. So in terms of evolution on the roadmap, from May until this was middle of October when we presented it, five modules brought out in markets, nothing taken out of the roadmap, and an entirely new theme added for Sitecore, managed car. What I'll show next is a milestone view of the roadmap. So I have a slide here which talks about XM and XP milestones. The first thing I'll say is that when we break it down into milestones, we talk about now next to NATO, now would be what we're working on in Porter. Next will be what we're working on for the three quarters that follow, and later would be that 12 months and beyond. Now next, later is a solution to launch, and we use internally anything to note on this slide for our experience platform XM and XP. We have our core releases. So our dot releases, 10 point 2.2, and 10 dot 3.2, they've actually shipped. They're available in the market right now. We'd expect to see another four releases over the next nine months. 10 dot 1.4, 10.2 dot 310, dot 3.3, 10, dot 4.1, and then the bigger one. We'll look at 10.5 which will be in October of 25 so that's our release schedule for the dot releases for Excel and XP. 

We have an entire team here around Sitecore stream, real interest in this, and lots of momentum. Sitecore stream right now. You know, real differentiator for us in our brand and content creation. Our brand co pilots, our generative co pilots, but really the brand assistance where we're allowing you to import and ingest your brand guidelines, your colors, your themes, your target audience, your sentiments, your tones, all of the guidelines that you would give to your agencies or your internal teams, but, you know, consider these things when publishing content with an ingest this into Sitecore stream, and a Sitecore stream will use that knowledge then to allow you to orchestrate across your digital experience, so a real differentiator, not just a chat bot that you could otherwise go into chat GPT or other and just sending it feedback, you know, could still be valuable, but this is really bringing your brand awareness. So if you've got a brand, you've got to compete brand, have a look on Sitecore website. We've got some good case studies from some really big brands on there that are using it. I would imagine that this section will see some evolution on the timeline, positive evolution. I'd imagine we'll start to see some of these items being brought forward. You know, looking for that early access and general availability, sort of the next two to three months, we'll continue to focus on modules. So we spoke about five modules that came out between May and the November timeline. Have a number of other modules in the in the platform. Today, the second iteration of the XM two XC migration tooling that is actually available, that's actually shipped, we've got our Connect endpoints for marketing automation working on it right now, looking at a connect endpoint for forms which are commonly in a few months that follow polar schemer extensions. We'll be releasing a v2 of that tool, edge, publishing improvements, something we will flow down to us from our Inc colleagues. And then a little further afield, will start to look at things like Inc to headless migration tooling. And then we'll start to look at how can we integrate search Sitecore, search into platform dxp, not just from a site search capability, from an internal capability, too. And then we've got our portal integration for platform dxp. So portal integration will be, you know, inviting you in, authenticating you through Sitecore portal, and having your XM XP instance available through. Portal, then we have what I would call the boring bits, but arguably some of the most important bits as well, which is our third party compatibility updates. A number of third party compatibility items we need to be mindful of. You know, we are a heavy consumer of Microsoft services. As those services run through their life Sitecore, we need to keep them up to date. And you know, so we've got some.net core components. We've got our App Insights components, we've got our modules that consume these identity publishing services, universal tracker. And then we do still have, as I mentioned earlier, some of those customers on Inc, some of those products are so consuming six which are being upgraded to.net Core eight, heavy consumer of solar today. And so then we look at how can you bring support for the latest versions of solar? And then have a slide which looks exactly the same, but for managed cloud, different info, but same format, same milestones now, next to later, same release Sitecore for the experience platform. What our focus on is really the Inc platform updates. 

A lot of work going into Disaster recovery validation, Disaster recovery validation tool that we've created, which is not only looking at the synchronicity of data. So from my app, service, backup, SQL replication, but also looking at the consistency of the site from both sides. So looking at the settings for front door settings, other configuration settings on the platform that you might be making at source. And then through replication, of course, we're capturing data. We're capturing the consistency of web roots? But if you make any configuration change and that configuration change isn't captured, it can sometimes be easy to forget to apply that on a DR side. So we have a Disaster recovery tool now which will be analyzing both sides, who will give us a confidence scores daily look at both sides of your environment. Gives us a proactive means to say, hey, look, we found a setting on one side, but not on the other. Do we need system wide? And why is there a difference? Ultimately, what that'll drive us to is a more consistent and reliable failover process and minimize the number of steps we need to follow in the event of Disaster once we fail over. So be one of the tools is actually out already busy working v2 we're working on a number of security enhancements around the Azure Bastion service, the images for our containerized deployments, Runbooks for things like the JSs deployment so you see a big uptick in SX a and JSs deployment models, Which is great, because that gets us a little closer to what we see over in X Inc, customer initiated failover, testing, web operations and assistance, fully fetched JSs provisioning templates and then a core theme for us in managed cloud is to target specific regions, like UAE central like it's far as tactical regions become available, some of those customers will say just we've got very strict and stringent data serenity requirements, will then be able to place data specifically there, not aggregate out. And then we're also working through a core 42 initiative right now, which we are already certified onto, which means that we can do fully fledged deployments in the UAE following the core 42 framework. So a lot of work going in here on the security side, you know, to complement that, we continue to work against our privacy and compliance program. So ISO 27,001, 1718, CSA, star, SOC two, and more recently up in CI at the station of compliance as well. So quite a packed roadmap from the managed cloud side. As I say, we are relaunching that managed cloud product. Have something really to go early April, and then what I'll do is I want to just talk through some key initiatives, you know. So we've touched on these already generative AI, intelligent dxp. You spend a lot of time in national Ed symposium talking about what is an intelligent dxp, and how does it become intelligent? And really, Sitecore stream is a key part of that, you know, we've touched on it, with the brand assistance and the content generation, it will embed into your XM and XP solution. It'll be available as a module. So you can take this module and install it. We'll give you the access rights into App form. 

There is a license that will be supplemented with it. It's available as a module will be available from 10 one later, and that's available to all customers and platform dxp today. So if folks are interested in knowing more, and there is a lot more recommend sort of dedicated sessions to go through and see how it can help you code the schema extensions, version. And two. So we spoke about the ability for marketers to make changes to XDB schema without needing go to our developers. So we'll extend on that. So this has been a widely adopted feature we've released lots of us, for us to extend this to not just be limited to the number of facets that we have, but also to map form fields, full name to contact assets integrate with I profile. So something that the team are actively working on now will be available as a module and will be available on two and later, we've then got the experience platform, so version 10.5 a lot of work going in behind the scenes in this right now, targeting, as I said, October 2025 as a release date, tightly coupled integration, Sitecore stream. We'll be looking to bring support for server 25 introducing support for solar nine, solar 10. And then a constant deed for us in every platform, the XP upgrade or release that we go through is improved upgrades, simplified upgrades, and improved cold start times. And then the next initiative that we'll talk about is the Managed Cloud. So I already said that we're looking to release this new platform early April. We will build on top of the success that we gathered from August 23 when we released past 2.0 what you see on screen here is a comparison between a PaaS $2 architecture and a pads one zero architecture. So it's run against 10.3 and 10.4 so a fully loaded XP instance 41% reduction in page response times. When comparing the 260 3% increased request capacity on the infrastructure, you know that is in larger credit to Microsoft and some of the improvements they're making in their v3 architecture, and then a massive 284% throughput improvements, request per second throughput, when we compare all this against PaaS, one another significant leap forward. We brought this out to market in August 23 we have a number of customers successfully running on this. We realized that we now have a very stable and fast platform. And the next thing for us to then focus our attention on is, how do we then improve the service wrap and the operational layer to go with it? So we've got those four themes which we showed in the in the roadmap, the end to end, platform services, security operations, web operations and enhanced Disaster recovery, and then a number of items that will come with that, which will be available as add on options. You know, you might choose to have a proactive log management, but you might not have the operation center. You might look to have advanced monitoring, but maybe not Disaster recovery, but really allowing customers the choice to opt in as we go. And then I will wrap up here with a quick fire round that's showing you what we have as recently shipped items. I'll go quite quickly, these pen dot, 3.2 shipped. Available in market right now. A number of features, number of improvements and number of customer resolved issues. The full release notes available on our website. And 2.2 exactly the same, a number of features and improvements. Customers of issues, again, shipped with release notes available on our website. 

Codeless schema, extension v 1.0, as I mentioned, shipped available as a module, available 10, three and later, we've got our accent to x, Inc, migration tooling. V1 shipped available as a module, available from 10 one and later. We've actually recently just shipped the v2 of this tool as well, which just extends on the capability XDB to CDP, migration tool against ship module, and it's available from version nine. And later, we've got our XConnect endpoint for Sitecore, connect again, shift endpoint, V, 9x, and later, and then the final one. Here is our XDB to analytics extractor, which, again, is a module allows you to gain access to your XDB data to tools like Power BI again module and 10.1 and later. So just to conclude, you know a lot going on in platform dxp, the teams are incredibly busy, both with the work that we're looking at here today in terms of this roadmap, but also looking at, what do we do beyond Android five? What is the next version after 10 or five look like? How are we addressing some of the bigger third party compatibility updates in that? What are we doing around the content and experience? What are we doing around modules? How are we bringing all that out to market as a combination of stock releases and modules? The roadmap that we create is wholly dependent on. Um feedback. We want the roadmap to be valuable. We want the roadmap to resonate. Very big thing for us in our team, we want to make sure that we're getting feedback from customers, respective customers, like, what's working well, what isn't. So your feedback is very valuable to us, and we really do thank you for those who do share your feedback with us, I'll put my contact details here these. If you have anything that you want to ask, let me know I'm always going to be available to help answer questions. I might not have all the answers, but certainly we'll know where to find the answers if I don't. So with that, I just want to say, can thank you for having me. Yeah, thank you for having me part of the presentation. And you know, hopefully that was helpful and informative, and if there's any questions, by all means, happy to take some of those. Thank you, Peter. That's very, very comprehensive, and I spoke to you after the presentation. I really loved all the information that that you presented. I love the roadmap. I love seeing what was upcoming from SATCOM back in Europe, what's been delivered, and again, what's what the roadmap looks like for the next 12 to 18 months. And obviously, you know it's ever evolving, but it's good to see some public clarity on this, and the fact that there is support for the platform until 2032 which is way ahead, feels like a million years ahead, but I think that's some give a lot of people a lot of confidence and a lot of clarity going forward that they can keep developing with a prop, with a platform. 

There is good life in the platform, and there's still a lot of innovation from the platform, you know, you know on that it's, it's, it's one of those things where we probably wouldn't put a slide up, but he had that kind of dates and times against it. I just think what we see in market is, you know, there's been so much focus on XMC that, you know, that focus has almost just drawn the attention away. We kind of just have to say, hey, look, this thing is there. It's, it's, it's got a full life Sitecore behind it. You know, we speak about 2032, that'll go to, that'll go to 34 then we'll do, we'll do, let's call it 11, that'll go, I don't know, 3638 so you know, a real big commitment on the platform, on our side. And I think if you look at, we look at market trends, and you see, you know, where is the market going? Yes, there's going to be a big adoption. SAAS, no doubt. I think there's going to be a big, a big market segment, but I still think there's going to be a big segment there who are either not ready, don't want to, or just can't go. And it's important that we have options for folks. So, you know, we want to be one of those options. Gonna be one of them. We want to be the best one, absolutely. And then I think with the focus on XM cloud, everybody just thinks XM cloud headless. But I think people tend to forget that actually you can be headless with XM and XP on prem. That was the original Sitecore headless, right with the and that's still fully supported. It's still a really, really great option. You have the option to use experience edge. That's still something that you guys, that we can use and take advantage of to have these global deployments, especially when you still need that data residency, and you have those requirements, for example, and that product is still supported, it's still it's still being developed, and along with, you know, all the other good innovation, great innovations, like the codeless color scheme that you mentioned, I think That kind of makes the using XDB personalization much, much more easy. We do have a couple of questions that did come up. I know you said, you know, you're happy to take feedback. So harsh has asked, is there a user voice site where developers and marketers can submit feature requests for Sitecore products. I don't know if you remember, but a few years back, there was a official and unofficial User Voice site that people were going on and making feature requests and upvotes and things like that. That seems to have disappeared, and I don't think there's any really any public way of doing feature requests. I know you guys are very active on Slack. 

Do you keep on there? I would say a lot of the feature requests come in through to us, through our PSs teams. So what we tend to see is folks getting in touch asking, you know, how can I do this? How can I do that? PSs will then obviously feel that say, Hey, you know, he has the method, or he has the way, and if it isn't, then what they would do is they'd log a feature request back in through to us. I don't think there is a formal portal that gives you the ability to do that. Happy for you to send them to that email on the screen if you have them. We'd love to hear that feedback, but I don't. Think there's a formal site where we can actually take that in this one, you probably have been asked this a number of times, is there going to be a new horizon or, yeah, look, that is a massive topic for us. And you know, if I could, if I could wind the clock back to 10.2, and say, you know, what could we change and not have done? It would have been, hey, let's not have stopped working on that. I think a lot of emphasis got put into pages, into X Inc, we are seeing massive demand and quest for it. So I would say that that is a definite watch area. I don't want to give too much away, but let's just say that when we talk about what goes into 10.5 and beyond, that's top of the list. Yeah, yeah. And as I mentioned at the beginning of the session, I think we're almost seeing the market come back on itself. So whereas three years ago, it was Sitecore, not a pure headless CMS, both with the, you know, the on prem headless that it had, as well as XMC XM cloud, because they had the visual editing, and all the headless players were like, it's not a pure headless CMS, because it's got a visual editor built in and right. And now we're seeing, with pretty much every single one of these headless other headless vendors, that they're all bringing visual editing back in. They're all bringing or acquiring customization companies to because people want that single interface people want to have the visual editors, people want to have personalization with, with a single workflow, with a single tool and a single workflow, right? So I think that the I think I can imagine that the need for a larger, modern page editor is also, you know, come back into that folder, right, correct? And the conversations, I don't say they blur, but they join. You know, you start to talk about a migration away from a framework to a.net Core. You think about the work that has to go into that work that goes into content editors. How do we kind of go about those things in a unified way? So I think what you'll see is a natural as we migrate one the other one comes with it. And that's really when we start to talk about what happens beyond 10, five, and how do we sequence that? 

If there was an item on the list outside a screen that we want to put forward be something like this. Yeah, for the moment looks like the final question, but I know there was a slide that you mentioned for XC Express commerce that is going to get support for.net core eight. So at least it looks like there is, yeah, we continue to, we continue to support it. Though, there was mention of it being sunset. Yeah, we will continue to. We're actually in the process of releasing updates for the commerce modules on 10, three range right now to get them up to doc or eight, we won't be releasing a new version of it, so there won't be a 10, four or 10, five, you know, that's been favored by auditor. But what we do see is we still see a number of customers on the platform, and they'll continue to get the support, you know. So just the same way, we show support life Sitecore for other products. We have a support life Sitecore for XC, but we've been very vocal in, you know, where we were going to stop. You know, we've been saying for years that, you know, XC will stop at the 10, three range. But the support behind the scene remains there for the senior, great love it. I think that's it for our questions for today. Thank you, Peter. I hopefully can be back in six months, and we'll see where we've moved on the roadmap, and what, what new things get added onto the roadmap. Really looking forward to the 10.5 release and then especially in the MVP circles, I know we're going to have a lot of more conversations on that. So really looking forward to what, what's going to be added into the platform for 11 and beyond. No pressure. Thank you. Appreciate your time and appreciate all the insights. Yeah, thanks for having me. Thank you. That's it perfect. All right, thank you, sir. How are we doing for time? Yeah, all right, good, good. Yeah, good. Right? We send this way?